It's Amazing how often Tag Team Partners appeared on the SAME Shows Wrestling
in SOLO Bouts!
Examples being MCMANUS/LOGAN-STREET/BARNES-ROYAL/FAULKNER!!
Which other Tag Team Members do you recall Wrestling SOLO on the SAME Nite??
I often wondered if they Travelled Together to the Venue?
MAIN MASK
Another unimagineable cocktail: McManus & Cassio. Thanks for the snippet!
As I wask wracking my brains for you, Main Mask, my thoughts also wandered to wondering whether the matchmaker had also to be careful as to who the referee was. For example, would they avoid having Kwango referee Kincaid or Masambula? Peter Szakcs couldn't referee his brother (likewise Bryan Crabtree actually, but let's not go there).
Jeff Kaye couldn't be seen to be reffing Ian Gilmour.
One I did notice a lot at the time that slipped through the net but always bothered me down in the south was when Bernard Murray was reffing Kellett or Barrie in deepest Sussex. All a bit odd with them all from Bradford. Heaven forbid we should think the ref was biased!
Thank you, gents.
The exceptions that prove the rule. I would say. If you have to go back to 1959 it probably shows that the brothers appeared a couple of times on the same bill then and it transpired how similar and unsmiling they were and that the udience got edgy sitting through fifty minutes of them.
Other brothers like Roy and Tony did appear more frequently but they were quite different in style, perhaps that counted. Also, when very young, the younger brother travelled for a while with big brother while he learnt the ropes.
Your Norwich bill, Main Mask, does actively show the promoters separating the Borg Brothers. In their case, pretty impossible to have them on the same bill, and perhaps that point focused matchmaker McManus on his rule, that he then extended?
Good info in this topic. I did find a handful of shows with both Szakacs brothers in singles bouts. Here's a couple with results:
December 17th, 1959 – Bristol, England
[Colston Hall]
Peter Szakacs b Bob Anthony
Melwyn Riss b Julien Morice (2-1)
John Da Silva b Billy Joyce (2-0)
Tibor Szakacs b Gordon Nelson (KO, 4th round)
Billy Two Rivers b Dennis Mitchell (2-1) January 20, 1960, Bath, England Bob Anthony beat Peter Szakacs Tibor Szakacs beat Bill Rawlings Francis Sullivan beat Achim Chall Bill Robinson beat Jack Bence (DQ)
Yes. I think only Dale Martin was big enough to have the luxury of this policy, with about twelve shows a night.
For all they were good promoters, the northen JP members had far fewer shows - 1, 2 or max 3 a night - and had to take their pairs as they could and deploy them however possible. Top Tag Teams were expensive, more afforable if you made them do 50 minutes rather than the 20 minutes (10 miniutes each) of a typical tag bout.
You've done a lot of research, thanks, but no sign of a DM bill with any of these pairings in singles ...
Makes me to think that Mick McManus must have had other booking rules; up to us to decipher them. Probably under our collective nose.
Mamma Mia Main Mask ... I think your thread actually leads us somewhere concrete.
I reckon that Dale Martin Promotions had an actual policy that excluded Street and Barnes ever wrestling solo on the same bill. Likewise Tibor amd Peter. All your sightings are for other promoters.
So now I'm wondering whether we can extend that list any further? Black Diamonds for sure.
And other teams of brothers such as The La Paques and The Borgs.
I wonder if there was any twosome that couldn't share a dressing room together and were always kept apart for that reason?
Hi Main Mask
Looks like the South-North Divide rears its influential head here. Your two examples are from northern venues. I suspect when the northern promoters booked Street & Barnes for a week they had several tag bouts but occasionally placed them in singles.
In my experience of Dale Martin bills they just never appeared on the same bill in singles.
From a purist point of view, I think it is poor promoting to have a bill with two bouts featuring such similar wrestlers: two Hells Angels, two Black Diamonds, two Red Injuns ... naaah. The promoters there probably didn't run enough shows to split them up, and let transport and logistics dominate common sense.
I suspect Street was watching Barnes precisely because their routines were so similar and to note which tricks Barnes had used and he himself should avoid repeating.
Sorry, I think that I got the interpretation of the question wrong, but wrestlers did fight as solo and tag that way.
It happened quite a few times under Morrell(anyway) in the 50's. They were known as team contests.
You would get two wrestlers v another two wrestlers.
Then there would be individual fights where each wrestler fought individually against each of the opponents .i.e. each wrestler fought the two on the opposing side.
After the individual matches, there was a bottom of the bill fight by 2 other wrestlers,to give them a rest and then the tag match.
The promoter only had to pay 6 wrestlers, but whether they got more for 3 fights,I don't know ,but I presume so.
I must have seen quite a few of these matches
A couple of years ago we identified that from about 1955 to 1964 McManus and Logan were on the same bill seemingly 80% of the time.
Apart from that, we can also see tag partners specifically not being on the same bill. I never recall Tibor and Peter on the same bill. Nor the Borgs - in singles. Styles too similar, fans wouldn't buy it.
Let's face it; you wouldn't want Eric in the first bout and then Abe in the main event.
Personally I don't recall Street and Barnes on the same bill in singles and have to take issue with your opening comment, Main Mask, if this is what you are claiming.
I remember Robbie Brookside teaming with Fuji Yamada against Kendo and Blondie while his usual tag partner Doc Dean wrestled solo against Funaki. This was at the Wirrina in Peterborough circa 1990.