depends very much on the criteria but not Billy two rivers in all but drawing power.personally Jon Guil Don when I first saw in France then here was breathtaking.
Anglo, good question. Then what else could it be? Let's think together and see what we can figure out. Was he even a "big draw" category of performer. If we agree upon him belonging to that category then yes a legit question would be what made him a "big draw". What can make a performer a big draw. My most genuine answer would be probably whatever he did in the ring attracted crowds. But then I watched him on youtube. All I can see is definitely a showcase of his actual wrestling skills. I mean theoretically what else would you need in a pro wrestling match, right?! But it is not all that simple right? I got to have some other talents. Like one of such talents would be being in good relationships with a person who puts up the shows, the promoter, that they book you all the time. At the end of the day it is your paycheck, you better be booked the the more often you are booked the merrier it is. Then if you are on the card every single night you can claim OK I am a big draw type of guy, lol, right? What else? I am sure there are some other talents. Ok, long story short, who put those 5 RAHs titles on Tibor? And why they chosed him over others. Whose choice was that it has to be Tibor who will win it this year and next year and a few more times...and WHY?
Ok. First of all thanks for the comments. And I am going to clarify few things.
Foreigner to me is a person of foreign origins regardless whether they became citizens or not and even if they became they almost always were themselves sorry meant to say 'played foreigners' in ring. Let's say Tibor always was billed from Budapest, Hungary, right? Never from Chelsea, London...lol. And yes I do mean people who actually lived and worked in UK permanently. So yes someone like Tibor. People for whom it was a daily job. People whom every wrestling fan in UK knew who they were. Definitely not some "star" from abroad brought by a promoter to perform for couple of months and then they are gone...till next time if that will even ever happen.
Now the greatest. The greatest?! Obviously titles, titles and titles again. Who in my opinion would have been the greatest? Let's say if Tibor or someone like Tibor held World or Euro title under Mount Evans System in UK. But he never did. And held it preferably for years. Maybe you know such person. I don't.
I do believe, or better say I want to believe that they crowned Tibor with 5 RAHs because he was all of the above, a technician when it comes to style and a big draw when it comes to popularity among the fans.
Gordienko for me, but can see why people are making a case for others. Billy Two Rivers was a household name in the 1960's, whether you watched wrestling or not (along with Mick McManus and possibly Jackie Pallo).
Are we talking about 'great' as in greatest drawing foreigner or 'great' as in best technical wrestler.I think we decided some years ago that Starr was the greatest draw and Two Rivers not far behind,however,I think John Quinn was also up there.If were talking about greatest technician then for me it was Gordienko by a country mile.
Yes, good question. As John says, it's all about what makes GREAT.
Agree on Gordienko and Starr and Thesz. Can throw in Jon Guil Don, Hackenschmidt, Horst Hoffman, Masambula.
Purely "on form" we would have to consider Wolfgang Starck/Saturski since he won the Royal Albert Hall Tournament Trophy at the height of that competition's prestige.
But then Tibor won it 5 times....so maybe Ruslan is right.
Visitor, or resident foreigner? Szakacs for resident. Gordienko for visitor, although some could make a case for Lou Thesz. Box office, Ricki Starr. Good question Ruslan.
I meant TS and not JGD
This is probably heresy and a lack of my knowledge but I always found him boring
depends very much on the criteria but not Billy two rivers in all but drawing power.personally Jon Guil Don when I first saw in France then here was breathtaking.
Was Tibor really a big draw because of "popularity among the fans"?
Ok. First of all thanks for the comments. And I am going to clarify few things.
Foreigner to me is a person of foreign origins regardless whether they became citizens or not and even if they became they almost always were themselves sorry meant to say 'played foreigners' in ring. Let's say Tibor always was billed from Budapest, Hungary, right? Never from Chelsea, London...lol. And yes I do mean people who actually lived and worked in UK permanently. So yes someone like Tibor. People for whom it was a daily job. People whom every wrestling fan in UK knew who they were. Definitely not some "star" from abroad brought by a promoter to perform for couple of months and then they are gone...till next time if that will even ever happen.
Now the greatest. The greatest?! Obviously titles, titles and titles again. Who in my opinion would have been the greatest? Let's say if Tibor or someone like Tibor held World or Euro title under Mount Evans System in UK. But he never did. And held it preferably for years. Maybe you know such person. I don't.
I do believe, or better say I want to believe that they crowned Tibor with 5 RAHs because he was all of the above, a technician when it comes to style and a big draw when it comes to popularity among the fans.
Thanks again. R
Rikki Starr,,,,,Box Office,,,,,,and he could wrestle
Gordienko for me, but can see why people are making a case for others. Billy Two Rivers was a household name in the 1960's, whether you watched wrestling or not (along with Mick McManus and possibly Jackie Pallo).
what about Paul Lincoln not only as the Dr but as a promoter?
Are we talking about 'great' as in greatest drawing foreigner or 'great' as in best technical wrestler.I think we decided some years ago that Starr was the greatest draw and Two Rivers not far behind,however,I think John Quinn was also up there.If were talking about greatest technician then for me it was Gordienko by a country mile.
Yes, good question. As John says, it's all about what makes GREAT.
Agree on Gordienko and Starr and Thesz. Can throw in Jon Guil Don, Hackenschmidt, Horst Hoffman, Masambula.
Purely "on form" we would have to consider Wolfgang Starck/Saturski since he won the Royal Albert Hall Tournament Trophy at the height of that competition's prestige.
But then Tibor won it 5 times....so maybe Ruslan is right.
For longevity, maybe Masambula.
Visitor, or resident foreigner? Szakacs for resident. Gordienko for visitor, although some could make a case for Lou Thesz. Box office, Ricki Starr. Good question Ruslan.