I notice someone is making a big effort to try and get Championship lineage into Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Heavyweight_Championship
I had always thought that when Bert Assirati went on his huge tour that Ernie Baldwin was the champ , until Bert came Home.
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Now we are starting to see a bigger picture
With wrestling being a Sports Entertainment I think it might be flogging a dead horse , but for sure it can be a bit of fun.
I do have a burning question though , and whilst we can take a stab on reputations , Bernard is probably the only man we have on here who could give us a witness account of how good these guys were.
I also want to throw in Billy Joyce who had plenty of experience by 1952 (was he too light then)
So , how about it and especially Bernard.
Can you split Baldwin , Rawlings , Sullivan , Mancelli , Joyce , perhaps Orford and is there anyone else.
Could any of them have been clearly the best man to hold that belt for a sustained period.
Good luck to whoever is doing WIKI , because while I was doing Leicester I found this 1955 bill that shows Dai Sullivan to be champ yet again after his 1953 listing.
And of course at this stage Dale Martins had not joined Joint Promotions , so was it all down to Morrell.
So many championship changes after all those years Doug Clark (1930's) and Assiratti (1940's and beyond)
Did it spoil the reputations of these champs or was it a good thing. Did the promoters struggle to make their minds up.
Ed Bright was repackaged many times.
Think it is same man as Ed Bright. They used him to boost Shirley.
Looking at the bill for Belle Vue, 11th of August, 1956 (above), I only just noticed that Bert is listed to fight "Horatio Bright".
Does anyone have any idea who this would be?, I would expect him to be a big name, if he is topping the bill with Assirati, but I don't know anything about him?
The reason his name suddenly jumped out at me is two-fold; firstly this is not a common name at all, it's not a common first name, during that period, and not such a common surname either.
The second, and main reason that the name just popped out at me, is that Horatio Bright was a famous Steel Baron, in Sheffield, in the late 1800's.
http://chrishobbs.com/horatiobright.htm
Apparently an eccentric character, he left 136,000 pounds in his will in 1906, a princely sum in those days.
There is even a local (and rather lovely) beer named after him.
https://www.eebriatrade.com/products/beer/crosspool-ale-makers-society/20985-horatio-bright
Just wondering if anyone had a clue who our wrestler was, and if he had any connection at all to the Bright family, or Sheffield?
Discovered from the A-Z Assirati lived until 19990.Dread to imagine what he thought of final ITV years
Effectively you are looking at a Rogue Promotion. Most of these wrestlers were in the Wilderness and would never work for Joint Promotions again. Kiki started his own promotion in Kent. Jack Taylor picked up a lot of these men as well as Assirati when Rogers probably sold out or was forced out.
Alf Robinson was coming to the end anyway and the exception was Vic Hessle who seemed to enjoy similar privileges to what Bartelli had with Wryton.
John Foley another exception.
It was Rogers who set the billing.
Joint were a long time choosing another champ after Assirati. I think it took them almost a year as it did when Billy Robinson left.
Incredibly Billy Joyce was to be the next champ in 1958 at the age of 42 and actually won it for the final time in 1966 at the age of 50 , which pretty much beats both Doug Clark and Assirati as oldest champ although Bert could also claim 50 in 1958 , but was not actually turning out for Joint by then.
Something's fishy if they were billing Bert as European Champion in 1956? When he had clearly won the British title from Ernie.
I've had a good look at Assirati's final reign after October 1955 and by April 1957 it looks like he had gone with Jack Taylor.
That 18 months he did not seem that busy but was with Dale Martins indeed.
At the end of 1955 he did three shows in Edinburgh and I then don't find him in the north again with one big exception.
In 1956 he did a minimum of 14 shows at Kings Hall Belle Vue.
How could that be.
Well nobody has ever put me right on this , but after the formation of Joint in 1952 , Dick and Jessie Rogers kept hold of Belle Vue up to the end of 1956.
The Roster was predictable but always with a few guests.
Bert was to end his career often fighting Stezycki under Jack Taylor and Strangler Bright as well , who was used to gift Shirley Crabtree with an alternative British Title. Alf Robinson traveled south to have many matches with Assirati for Dale Martins and had multiple matches in Manchester. Billy Benny and Vic Hessle also were used and it seems Dick Rogers had a lot of Greater Manchester based wrestlers supporting him.
Can we deduce that Dick Rogers was the first real opposition to Joint Promotions and how and why did he finish.
But for Bert there is evidence here that he did not work with the Northern Arm of Joint Promotions.
I would expect exceptions as I don't have anything like all the bills , but that is the story of my own and Ray Plunkett's Index.
That last 18 months of Assirati was limited and Yorkshire men were not evident in the story. Enjoy these clips of Assirati at Belle Vue , they were hard worked for and Manchester shows are a special archive of mine.
Maybe it was a good payday and for sure the time had come to give Bert his championship back.
As I have said , rare to see Bert in the North after 1955 and still with Joint.
Maybe someone can throw some in.
Just checking my bills after Bert's regaining of the championship. I can't see him north of Peterborough or Coventry which were both Dale Martins. I checked Leicester where he could have worked for Morrell but no sign of him. Nor did he seem to do any trips into Scotland with Relwyskow like he had done in the past.
By mid 1957 Bert looks to be with Jack Taylor. It may be that Bert did not do much of significance in his final reign (55-57).
If I get time The Plunkett Index will maybe give a better picture.
Thank you Mr Ost.
That surprises me that the promoter was Dale Martin.
I had always thought that Ernie Baldwin was a committed Morrell man.
Did he often fight on DM bills ?
That bill compliments the photo I put on of them as the ref was Lou Marco.
Great find Oct 1955 , within a couple of months of Bert's return.
Here's a photo of the bill, courtesy of Bob Bartholomew. One thing i've wondered is if Baldwin wore his Mountevans belt and if the physical belt ever changed hands.
So we still don't have a bill for when Bert won the title back.
As for missing a trick, if Baldwin did not convince with the title, they could have had Sandy Orford back for a short run.
He was probably a more likely title holder than some who held it.
Mancelli, for instance , was no more than a Mid Heavyweight at that time.
Could not beat Norman Walsh (up north) and as much as I liked Norman and respected his ability, I did not consider him as a viable alternative to Baldwin.
He was getting a bit old and as had been said of others did he need a title.?
Strange goings on in 1955 because I have Baldwin billed up to at least February 5th as British Champ.
I don't know the result but on 5th Feb he fights Mancelli at Norwich in a title match.
By March 18th Dai Sullivan is holder and defending against Baldwin.
By 3rd April I have Mancelli v Baldwin for the title again at Norwich.
Certainly by September Assirati was back , but with all these championship changes did they miss a trick.
Would a slippery Jack Pye have been a good option.
I don't have the bill , but I wonder if this picture , often seen , was the night in question.
Does anyone have a bill for the night when Assiratti took the title from Baldwin?
Yes Bernard and if anything he still seems to be the one in History to be remembered in that period when Assiratti was away. Maybe because Bert took the belt back off him!!!!
But for sure the title never really settles for long and there seems to have been an absence of real great heavies.
Your comments help so much Bernard , small but vital anecdotes and memories.
Just one point of interest about Ernie Baldwin.
If you look at a full length picture of him, you will see a large chest, a larger diaphragm/ stomach and quite thin legs.
The latter ,not well developed , no doubt, contributed to his legs being broken in the ring on two occasions.
Many thanks Ron. I clearly have it round my neck - as I often do.
It does look to me that when Bert got the championship back in 1955 on his return from his tour that he did not do much work in the north.
He seems busy enough with Dale Martins until his departure a few years later , but hard to find him fighting many of the great northern men.
Assirati v Baldwin at any venue , I do not have in my collection.