Aaaah, yes. Assirati is listed. I can only imagine that this was another mangling in a phone call. They changed Bolo's surname by mistake. The person at the Evening Standard probably remembered Assirati's name. 1960 opponent was Morgan, the Lord only knows who that was. Newspapers are a great resource but full of traps. Do we have 5/12/60 Seymour results?
Some good observations there Anglo. And I don't doubt what you say about Seymour Hall being DM . I just would not expect Assirati to be working a match for them in 1960.
I can rule out Bolo Hawayan being a copy. I had wondered about Bobo Matu seeing as they were so similar and Matu coming from Bolton. But Yes Cornelius running the travel would answer that.
Also worked with Billy Howes at Smethwick on 8th December 1960.
Seymour Hall actually states it's a DM bill. That whole pink ad has been placed by Dale Martin.
Joe Cornelius has been tasked with driving the two internationals up to Bolton and then brings them back to Brighton for the Saturday. A shame Wryton dumbed Hawaii down to Japan. It smacks of the detail being mangled in a phone call, Hawaiian becoming his surname,
Bolo seems to be a winner. Outweighed by Ray Apollon, he defeats him, too.
1960 is interesting. Ray only had a result for him at Watford (he had it spelled "Hawaka"). But the rest of the bills are lineups only. Will have to dig further.
He did a lot of work in Germany in 1960, s far as I could find he yo-yo'd between the states and Germany that year among his opponents in Germany were Geoff Portz and Bob Sweeney.
Agreed. Baldwin travelled extensively as British champion as they all had to: Baldwin, Royal, Dempsey, Maxine, Wall (1972 only, then he was pooped), Riss, Faulkner, Thomson - they all wrestled everywhere.
Bernard, it seems to me that you guys in the early fifties thought there was no life outside Newcastle!
The European and world titles were the fun ones. Colbeck did whatever he wanted for 25 years; McManus followed suit in the seventies. Was there ever a European Heavy-Middleweight Championship? As for Howes and Marino .....
It seems that the serious Olympians of the thirties - Morrell, Relwyskow - saw the British titles as meaningful within the theatre of pro wrestling. Billy Riley was in there with his fixation on Snakepit-style. They were muddled in a way Jack Dale wasn't.
Ct Bartelli would take it to extremes with his Commonwealth title. Peter Rann not far off.
We (I) mustn't complain. It's clear that in the sport/spectacle of pro wrestling there would be fine dividing lines. Even with hindsight we can't define them. At the time, with things changing on a daily basis, the guys did their best to make it serious.
The Olympians were probably right to strive for perfection.
But Jack Dale didn't have Olympic material at his disposal and had to get on with things. It took him a while, but his approach was eventually very successful.
Maybe it was his insistence on serious wrestling, an avoidance of no-shows and rejiggings AT ALL COSTS, that gave him the ultimate edge. By which I mean his administration made the difference rather than the operation.
For Bernard , It looks from the papers like once Ernie was champ or even a top contender , there was a requirement to travel at least a bit. Not as much as Mike Marino did in the other direction , but evidence he even went as far as Torquay.
I have found a couple of bouts as far back as 1946 in Hawaii, he used his own name quite a bit and the name Sunni White Horn when working in some Canadian promotions, he also worked regularly in Germany
So genuine that we know nothing! In 1955, Hawaii wasn't in the USA. It was a republic and a few Hawaiians wrestled in UK. After annexation in 1959, they didn't seem to be able to get out any more.
No results thus far for Seymour. Assirati Spurious.
It's been a good debate and we might add yet. Here is a recap.
31stMarch1954 Hakawa v Marino Albert Hall
1st April1954 Hakawa v Ken Davies Bristol
5thApril1954 Hakawa v Apollon Bedford
6thApril Hakawa v Orford Colchester
8th April1954 Hakawa v Butch Johnson Southampton
9thApril1954 Hakaw v Orford Rochester
11thMay1954 Hakawa v Ernie Baldwin Reading
14thMay1954 Hakawa v Al Hayes Ramsgate
5thDec1960 Hakawa v Zaranoff Seymour Hall
6thDec1960 Hakawa v Apollon Watford
8thDec1960 Hakawa v Howes Smethwick
9thDec1960 Hakawa v Alf Cadman Bolton
10thDec1960 Hakawa v Ray Hunter Brighton
14thDec1960 Hakawa v Digger Rowell Hove
Aaaah, yes. Assirati is listed. I can only imagine that this was another mangling in a phone call. They changed Bolo's surname by mistake. The person at the Evening Standard probably remembered Assirati's name. 1960 opponent was Morgan, the Lord only knows who that was. Newspapers are a great resource but full of traps. Do we have 5/12/60 Seymour results?
Yes Assirati not important not really connected to Bolo , it's just that he was on the Dec1960 Seymour Hall bill.
He apparently did not wrestle after April 1960 and those final years did his own promotion or maybe Jack Taylor.
I thought leaving Joint/Dales was acrimonious and that there would be no way he would be on one of their bills again.
But yes I see now that The Seymour Hall was Dales.
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But I just cannot see how you are bringing Assirati into all this. Please explain.
Some good observations there Anglo. And I don't doubt what you say about Seymour Hall being DM . I just would not expect Assirati to be working a match for them in 1960.
I can rule out Bolo Hawayan being a copy. I had wondered about Bobo Matu seeing as they were so similar and Matu coming from Bolton. But Yes Cornelius running the travel would answer that.
Also worked with Billy Howes at Smethwick on 8th December 1960.
And Dec14th at Hove with Digger Rowell.
There is enough here for a decent A-Z entry.
I can't share your suspicion, Ron.
Those are magnificent cuttings.
Seymour Hall actually states it's a DM bill. That whole pink ad has been placed by Dale Martin.
Joe Cornelius has been tasked with driving the two internationals up to Bolton and then brings them back to Brighton for the Saturday. A shame Wryton dumbed Hawaii down to Japan. It smacks of the detail being mangled in a phone call, Hawaiian becoming his surname,
Bolo seems to be a winner. Outweighed by Ray Apollon, he defeats him, too.
1960 is interesting. Ray only had a result for him at Watford (he had it spelled "Hawaka"). But the rest of the bills are lineups only. Will have to dig further.
Here is some background on Bolo from a 1958 newspaper. It look pretty genuine as well mentioning meeting the Duke of Edinburgh.
Another show Bolo did I found this report. Another barefooted wrestler
and then also Bolo comes back in 1960 which do not look like Dale Martin bills.
By now Assirati was virtually promoting odd shows himself before bowing out. See the Seymour Hall show.
And a show at Brighton with Ray Hunter.
But below , very suspicious that this is also our man. ( the day before Brighton ?)
Hi Anglo. Where and when I grew up, in Newcastle there was only Morrell.
I only learnt a little when i went to London and Dagenham I was surprised that this travel as was mentioned ,started that far back.
Agreed. Baldwin travelled extensively as British champion as they all had to: Baldwin, Royal, Dempsey, Maxine, Wall (1972 only, then he was pooped), Riss, Faulkner, Thomson - they all wrestled everywhere.
Bernard, it seems to me that you guys in the early fifties thought there was no life outside Newcastle!
The European and world titles were the fun ones. Colbeck did whatever he wanted for 25 years; McManus followed suit in the seventies. Was there ever a European Heavy-Middleweight Championship? As for Howes and Marino .....
It seems that the serious Olympians of the thirties - Morrell, Relwyskow - saw the British titles as meaningful within the theatre of pro wrestling. Billy Riley was in there with his fixation on Snakepit-style. They were muddled in a way Jack Dale wasn't.
Ct Bartelli would take it to extremes with his Commonwealth title. Peter Rann not far off.
We (I) mustn't complain. It's clear that in the sport/spectacle of pro wrestling there would be fine dividing lines. Even with hindsight we can't define them. At the time, with things changing on a daily basis, the guys did their best to make it serious.
The Olympians were probably right to strive for perfection.
But Jack Dale didn't have Olympic material at his disposal and had to get on with things. It took him a while, but his approach was eventually very successful.
Maybe it was his insistence on serious wrestling, an avoidance of no-shows and rejiggings AT ALL COSTS, that gave him the ultimate edge. By which I mean his administration made the difference rather than the operation.
For Bernard , It looks from the papers like once Ernie was champ or even a top contender , there was a requirement to travel at least a bit. Not as much as Mike Marino did in the other direction , but evidence he even went as far as Torquay.
I have found a couple of bouts as far back as 1946 in Hawaii, he used his own name quite a bit and the name Sunni White Horn when working in some Canadian promotions, he also worked regularly in Germany
Not wishing to sidetrack your query Anglo, But I was surprised to see Ernie Baldwin on a DM bill.
This switch is not mentioned in Ernie's entry in the A-Z. Did he do many DM nights?
Ost, Ron - two diamonds!!!
And in America#
Here he is:
He also wrestled in France as well as a lot of US promotions his real name was Sonny Pascua, he looked a solid unit.
So genuine that we know nothing! In 1955, Hawaii wasn't in the USA. It was a republic and a few Hawaiians wrestled in UK. After annexation in 1959, they didn't seem to be able to get out any more.
Looks like he was a genuine Hawaiian