Whatever Promotion's Relwyskow Belt was, it wasn't the only one of a kind, famous Champion Boxer of the same era Phineas John (Wales) had a "twin belt".
Relwyskow Jr with a Belt. This belt will become one of the most recognizable trophies in British Pro Wrestling History of XXc. Countless number of champions held it. During different decades this belt represented championship at different weight classes.
Thanks Dear Ron, appreciate, 100%, exactly, yes looks like that's why they usually call Clark "World Champion", no one could take that from him, and other wrestlers like let's say Gregory they prefer calling "British Hwt (originally Lt-Hwt) Champion". Someone else they call - "Empire/Commonwealth Champion", there was also "Euro Title". Even if promoters didn't care that much about other things but gate receipts, at least they tried to make it all somewhat organized. As for The Ring, Relwyskow Jr himself was their official Lightweight Champion and Gold Belt Holder.
It is just an opinion ,but as far as I am concerned Britain only had two champions right up to the formation of Joint Promotions. That was Doug Clark and Bert Assirati.
In their day , if anyone wanted to do it real , no Brit could beat them.
Oakeley tried everything to claim the glory over Clark , changing styles of wrestling and setting up fake tournaments. Some promoters tried to take advantage of Clark being in Australia which is why you see George Gregory and others listed with a short run as champ.
Clark was so insulted he would not wrestle for the Ring. He was a Relwyskow man who also promoted himself.
The great thing about current debates is that some people are interested in Belts and Titles , others Masks and I myself a sucker for collecting wrestling bills.
It's all out in the open now....it was just entertainment and no official records were kept.
For sure there was no ruling body in any case in the 1930's.
Clark would never accept Oakeley as British champion. With a lack of other resources Oakeleys interpretation of 1930s history has moulded what many believe. This world in which Oakeley was invincible has now been de mythed.
Read The Years of Wrestling in the Timeline section.
Sherry-Clark Worlds, Gregory - British (heavy since 1938 or light-heavy before 1938) before him not sure but for a long time Oakeley himself held that title, Muir - Empire...I couldn't figure out the Euro Hwt Title they had eliminations in 1936 I think. In the early 1930's Oakeley would bring some German wrestlers to fight him for Euro Title...so I am assuming he held that title as well.
I can see a listing of Alan Muir holding the British Wrestling Association (BWA) heavyweight title in 1938. This was Atholl Oakeley's promotion I think?
The above bill looks like one of Oakeley's, because I think he was responsible for bringing Jack Sherry to the UK.
There has never been any official Governing Body of professional wrestling in Britain and so there are no official champions, only champions stated as such by either a group of promoters (e.g. Joint Promotions, BWF, WFGB, BWA) or individual promoters.
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate. My concern is about the basis of Muir's claims to the British Heavyweight Title. Was he ever officially recognized by any of the Moguls of The Matdom?
Bonnie Muir was an Australian wrestler who was a real globetrotter.
Muir was born in Melbourne on 28 November 1907 and passed away in the same city on 12 June 1977.
He won the Victorian amateur wrestling heavyweight championship in 1929 and 1930 and was runner up for the Australian amateur wrestling championship in 1930. Muir turned professional in 1930.
Bonnie wrestled in Australia, America, Great Britain, throughout Europe and in Africa. In retirement he became a referee.
A tribute page to Alan Muir
Whose promotion had XX Century Catch as their official wrestling style in the 1930s?
Does anyone know what was British Wrestling Assn of the 1930s? Who backed that organization.
Whatever Promotion's Relwyskow Belt was, it wasn't the only one of a kind, famous Champion Boxer of the same era Phineas John (Wales) had a "twin belt".
Relwyskow Jr with a Belt. This belt will become one of the most recognizable trophies in British Pro Wrestling History of XXc. Countless number of champions held it. During different decades this belt represented championship at different weight classes.
I have a question - what was the basis of Jack Sherry World Title claims?
Thanks Dear Ron, appreciate, 100%, exactly, yes looks like that's why they usually call Clark "World Champion", no one could take that from him, and other wrestlers like let's say Gregory they prefer calling "British Hwt (originally Lt-Hwt) Champion". Someone else they call - "Empire/Commonwealth Champion", there was also "Euro Title". Even if promoters didn't care that much about other things but gate receipts, at least they tried to make it all somewhat organized. As for The Ring, Relwyskow Jr himself was their official Lightweight Champion and Gold Belt Holder.
It is just an opinion ,but as far as I am concerned Britain only had two champions right up to the formation of Joint Promotions. That was Doug Clark and Bert Assirati.
In their day , if anyone wanted to do it real , no Brit could beat them.
Oakeley tried everything to claim the glory over Clark , changing styles of wrestling and setting up fake tournaments. Some promoters tried to take advantage of Clark being in Australia which is why you see George Gregory and others listed with a short run as champ.
Clark was so insulted he would not wrestle for the Ring. He was a Relwyskow man who also promoted himself.
The great thing about current debates is that some people are interested in Belts and Titles , others Masks and I myself a sucker for collecting wrestling bills.
It's all out in the open now....it was just entertainment and no official records were kept.
For sure there was no ruling body in any case in the 1930's.
Clark would never accept Oakeley as British champion. With a lack of other resources Oakeleys interpretation of 1930s history has moulded what many believe. This world in which Oakeley was invincible has now been de mythed.
Read The Years of Wrestling in the Timeline section.
Sherry-Clark Worlds, Gregory - British (heavy since 1938 or light-heavy before 1938) before him not sure but for a long time Oakeley himself held that title, Muir - Empire...I couldn't figure out the Euro Hwt Title they had eliminations in 1936 I think. In the early 1930's Oakeley would bring some German wrestlers to fight him for Euro Title...so I am assuming he held that title as well.
Sherry and Clark disputed the title. Sherry was an Oakeley man, Clark was not.
Right, they called Sherry world champion, that title was previously held by Doug Clark. British Title? I don't know. But they also had European Title.
I can see a listing of Alan Muir holding the British Wrestling Association (BWA) heavyweight title in 1938. This was Atholl Oakeley's promotion I think?
The above bill looks like one of Oakeley's, because I think he was responsible for bringing Jack Sherry to the UK.
There has never been any official Governing Body of professional wrestling in Britain and so there are no official champions, only champions stated as such by either a group of promoters (e.g. Joint Promotions, BWF, WFGB, BWA) or individual promoters.
Perhaps "time traveller" Ron can solve the question of whether Bonnie Muir was an officially recognised British Heavyweight Champion.
Whilst I hope that an Aussie held such a lofty championship, I tend to have my doubts. :(
Cheers!
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate. My concern is about the basis of Muir's claims to the British Heavyweight Title. Was he ever officially recognized by any of the Moguls of The Matdom?
Bonnie Alan Muir is on Heritage.
Bonnie Muir was an Australian wrestler who was a real globetrotter.
Muir was born in Melbourne on 28 November 1907 and passed away in the same city on 12 June 1977.
He won the Victorian amateur wrestling heavyweight championship in 1929 and 1930 and was runner up for the Australian amateur wrestling championship in 1930. Muir turned professional in 1930.
Bonnie wrestled in Australia, America, Great Britain, throughout Europe and in Africa. In retirement he became a referee.
Cheers!