"You found it all very plausible with only limited impact from only one perspective. I had an equally valid perspective. As did Eddie Rose in Manchester, Dale Storm in Ayr, Jimmy Devlin in Stockton."
The difference being - my perceptions were authoritatively reinforced twice weekly by Kent walton.
Stay "not sure" Anglo Italian. Okay, for the reasons you give the champions of any consequence were the Joint Promotions champions. Going back sixty years I would reluctantly agree but there was another universe. For those of us in the opposition camp it was just as believable to see Eric Sands, Fred Woolley, Bill Tunney, Mike Marino and Jim Armstrong billed as champions. And remember that at times even George Kidd, Ken Joyce and Eddie Capelli were denied of any status for working on the dark side.
You found it all very plausible with only limited impact from only one perspective. I had an equally valid perspective. As did Eddie Rose in Manchester, Dale Storm in Ayr, Jimmy Devlin in Stockton.
Not sure I agree with Peter and, unsurprisingly, Hack. I think that through Kent Walton, The Wrestler, and the sheer number of Joint promotions bills, the only champions of any consequence were the JP British, European and World champions at the seven weights. As well as the heavyweight champion of Kent.
I remember my astonishment when reading Welsh Ringsport that there was a certain Killer Ken Davies who was Welsh Middleweight champion.
I found it all very centralized and plausible with a few non-tv title-holders making only limited impact and very much on the sidelines.
It was a bigger issue with three "World" titles, albeit ones that got some token coverage in the British press but didn't make their way to Europe for actual defenses (outside of three appearances by the AWA World Champion in Germany--two by Verne Gagne in 1972 and one by Nick Bockwinkel in 1981). That was something the boxing world used to make fun of wrestling over, until the rise of boxing's alphabet-soup era in the 1980s.
Yes I think that's a good point from Peter. A multitude of champions with no one universally recognised. Probably more a case of profit making than wrestling influencing boxing but, hey, we sank there first.
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May 16, 2023
Chris Eubank's entire heel act was pure wrestling
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May 17, 2023
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When fans booed him as he came to the ring for the second bout vs Michael Watson (the one that ended with Watson in hospital) Gary Newbon on ITV Sport compared Eubank's heat to that of Mick McManus.
Supposedly the practice of actual belts being on the line (as opposed to being a reward for winning a championship, to be kept by the winning boxer) started in wrestling and moved to boxing afterward.
Tag Boxing is growing in popularity in the States.It has also been tried in the UK.There is a match from ten years ago in Didcot on You Tube
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May 20, 2023
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Every schoolkid for decades back invented tag team boxing. Colin Hart of the Sun once gave a talk at my secondary school in the late 80s where he was very sneery about wrestling and about (many) wrestlers being Equity members. (This was not long after Wapping so naturally a Sun journo would be sneery about unions). I remember asking him about tag team boxing and he scoffed at the idea.
Female wrestling was here from the 1930s onwards, long before female boxers became familiar.
And I would think female MCs in wrestling must have predated any in boxing.
"You found it all very plausible with only limited impact from only one perspective. I had an equally valid perspective. As did Eddie Rose in Manchester, Dale Storm in Ayr, Jimmy Devlin in Stockton."
The difference being - my perceptions were authoritatively reinforced twice weekly by Kent walton.
Stay "not sure" Anglo Italian. Okay, for the reasons you give the champions of any consequence were the Joint Promotions champions. Going back sixty years I would reluctantly agree but there was another universe. For those of us in the opposition camp it was just as believable to see Eric Sands, Fred Woolley, Bill Tunney, Mike Marino and Jim Armstrong billed as champions. And remember that at times even George Kidd, Ken Joyce and Eddie Capelli were denied of any status for working on the dark side.
You found it all very plausible with only limited impact from only one perspective. I had an equally valid perspective. As did Eddie Rose in Manchester, Dale Storm in Ayr, Jimmy Devlin in Stockton.
Not sure I agree with Peter and, unsurprisingly, Hack. I think that through Kent Walton, The Wrestler, and the sheer number of Joint promotions bills, the only champions of any consequence were the JP British, European and World champions at the seven weights. As well as the heavyweight champion of Kent.
I remember my astonishment when reading Welsh Ringsport that there was a certain Killer Ken Davies who was Welsh Middleweight champion.
I found it all very centralized and plausible with a few non-tv title-holders making only limited impact and very much on the sidelines.
Yes I think that's a good point from Peter. A multitude of champions with no one universally recognised. Probably more a case of profit making than wrestling influencing boxing but, hey, we sank there first.
Chris Eubank's entire heel act was pure wrestling
Having different champions for different orgaizations
The preliminaries of pro boxing in recent years have all the nonsense of wrestling beyond the Heritage years.
Cassius Clay openly attributed his gimmick to imitating the antics of Gorgeous George.
Extravagant and overlong entrances into the ring
Supposedly the practice of actual belts being on the line (as opposed to being a reward for winning a championship, to be kept by the winning boxer) started in wrestling and moved to boxing afterward.
Tag Boxing is growing in popularity in the States.It has also been tried in the UK.There is a match from ten years ago in Didcot on You Tube