That's interesting what you say about the naming of the belts Ruslan, belts being linked to a former champion and that having more significance than their current title. Whether or not it would apply to Britain I don't know. It's certainly not something I am aware of. But then as has been mentioned before most of us were ignorant of the belts until you came along.
As for your question about the "Jack Taylor Belt." Well Jack might have owned it (I wouldn't know). If he did then you could call it the "Jack Taylor Belt" but I don't think it would be given that name because of his status as he was no Strangler Lewis. He was respected by many as a wrestler and promoter but not acknowledged by the majority of fans as one of the great welterweight champions like Dempsey, Colbeck or Capelli.
You have previously shown us this photo with Jimmy Devlin, Bill kennedy, John Allen and Ray Glendenning. I can't see any strong connection between any of them and Jack Taylor. Devlin told us that Don Robinson turned up with the belt, took the photo and then took it home. Kennedy worked on the Isle of Man. Allen worked mostly for Joint Promotions and then started up his own promotion with Eric Taylor. Glendenning started with the independents and then went to Joint. Jack Taylor worked almost entirely for the independents.
Sorry Ruslan, I hope I've not upset you as that wasn't intended. I can see your interest in belts and am surprised how you have found these old belts in use at the time most of us watched wrestling. But I find it hard to associate a photo of some wrestlers with a belt being the equal to the champions we knew at the time. However many people you ask about lightweight champions or famous lightweights no one will mention Pete Smith or Tony Cortez.
The name of this topic shows what nonsense it is to talk about some of these so called titles. Pete Smith European lightweight champion in the early 1970s. Nonsense. I'd be surprised if more than half a dozen people reading this had heard of Pete Smith and Tony Cortez. This was the time when we had great lightweights Al Miquet, Johnny Saint, Jim Breaks, Jim Ross, Jon Cortez, Bobby Ryan, Jackie Robinson, George Kidd. I know this website has a lot of time for the lesser known wrestlers who didn't work on tv but this is an insult to these top wrestlers of the time.
The promotion is irrelevant. My results show Pete Smith working mostly for Jack Taylor. But that's irrelevant too. As independents Pete Smith and Tony Cortez could work for anyone they wanted. As Powerlock says the titles were pretty meaningless.
I use the word titles rather than belts because Ruslan has already demonstrated that those historic belts could crop up all over the place, not that we noticed at the time.
As Ost said these were wrestlers who worked for various independent promoters, one or maybe more came up with the idea of an European belt, the British belts that were defended on Joint shows were viewed as the belts, so Independent shows having a different belt from the normal British championships was a way to give them championship matches and make it appear that they had a bigger presence in the wrestling world
Holy Grail of American Pro Wrestling - The Ed 'Strangler' Lewis Belt - Diamonds Are Forever !
On that last bill, I haven't heard of that place that Malcolm Lee(WHO?) comes from. Wiggin?
That's interesting what you say about the naming of the belts Ruslan, belts being linked to a former champion and that having more significance than their current title. Whether or not it would apply to Britain I don't know. It's certainly not something I am aware of. But then as has been mentioned before most of us were ignorant of the belts until you came along.
As for your question about the "Jack Taylor Belt." Well Jack might have owned it (I wouldn't know). If he did then you could call it the "Jack Taylor Belt" but I don't think it would be given that name because of his status as he was no Strangler Lewis. He was respected by many as a wrestler and promoter but not acknowledged by the majority of fans as one of the great welterweight champions like Dempsey, Colbeck or Capelli.
You have previously shown us this photo with Jimmy Devlin, Bill kennedy, John Allen and Ray Glendenning. I can't see any strong connection between any of them and Jack Taylor. Devlin told us that Don Robinson turned up with the belt, took the photo and then took it home. Kennedy worked on the Isle of Man. Allen worked mostly for Joint Promotions and then started up his own promotion with Eric Taylor. Glendenning started with the independents and then went to Joint. Jack Taylor worked almost entirely for the independents.
Talking of Tony Cortez , here is an example of him being billed on a small promotion.
Look at the heavy Champ Mick Dalby , official champ of what..!!!!!!!!
Sorry Ruslan, I hope I've not upset you as that wasn't intended. I can see your interest in belts and am surprised how you have found these old belts in use at the time most of us watched wrestling. But I find it hard to associate a photo of some wrestlers with a belt being the equal to the champions we knew at the time. However many people you ask about lightweight champions or famous lightweights no one will mention Pete Smith or Tony Cortez.
The name of this topic shows what nonsense it is to talk about some of these so called titles. Pete Smith European lightweight champion in the early 1970s. Nonsense. I'd be surprised if more than half a dozen people reading this had heard of Pete Smith and Tony Cortez. This was the time when we had great lightweights Al Miquet, Johnny Saint, Jim Breaks, Jim Ross, Jon Cortez, Bobby Ryan, Jackie Robinson, George Kidd. I know this website has a lot of time for the lesser known wrestlers who didn't work on tv but this is an insult to these top wrestlers of the time.
The promotion is irrelevant. My results show Pete Smith working mostly for Jack Taylor. But that's irrelevant too. As independents Pete Smith and Tony Cortez could work for anyone they wanted. As Powerlock says the titles were pretty meaningless.
I use the word titles rather than belts because Ruslan has already demonstrated that those historic belts could crop up all over the place, not that we noticed at the time.
As Ost said these were wrestlers who worked for various independent promoters, one or maybe more came up with the idea of an European belt, the British belts that were defended on Joint shows were viewed as the belts, so Independent shows having a different belt from the normal British championships was a way to give them championship matches and make it appear that they had a bigger presence in the wrestling world
They show up on various independent cards of the 60's