Holds and submissions we may never see again

Not exactly a hold but one wrestler spinning his opponent round by his legs

Just viewed another match of Bert Royal were he turns the hand of Roy St Clair white

Interesting to read, but really not a lot of information of real interest to a wrestling fan with today's knowledge.

Is this one of your local papers Hack? or is it too far north east of you?

A bit tenuous but the talk reminded me of the Ghoul and his Guillotine Garote, which brought this article to mind. I think you will find it interesting.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/7096071.dont-wrestle-conscience---snap-little-lot/

By the way,if you are going to try it, remember to straighten the leg before the forward roll.

That's a new word- fisrt.

Sorry folks.

Hi Power. Fisrt of all, keep up the good work.

I take it that you mean the Avalanche roll?

This was simply work done on the leg, using a step over toe hold, then a forward roll.

I now know that this does not cause too much pain, but when you are 12 and see a new and different move it looks spectacular.

Bernard how was it executed, just in case others know it by another name

Regarding Graham's talk of Andy Robin turning his opponent's hand white.

I saw Norman Walsh do this to Francis Gregory for two and a half rounds.

The talk of Dynamite Kid's surfboard also reminded me that George Kidd used what they called a reverse surfboard, which always brought a submission.

The other thing that you won't have seen for a while was George's rollup into a ball that ended with him flipping his opponent over for a pinfall.

Also have any of you seen a submission announced as an Avalanche Roll?

Just some memories from a long time ago.

The Jim Breaks special ?

I always get the impression that the surfboard was very painful if applied properly, and carried a greater risk of causing physical damage that some of the other submission holds.

Anything involving the base of the neck/top of the spine always looked painful and dangerous. In the WOS bout between Billy Robinson and Lee Bronson, the former does a sort of reverse headlock which then transforms into him dropping down so that Bronson's neck makes forceful contact with Billy's shoulder. It looks absolutely agonising!

I recall a bout between Andy Robin and Steve Haggetty on a Morrell and Beresford show at The De Montfort Hall, Leicester, in the early seventies. For an entire round Robin had Haggetty trapped on the canvas and worked over his hand until it turned white. I think this remains the only time in all the wrestling shows that I witnessed that I saw an entire round taken up with the one hold.

Bert Royal twisting the hand of Steve Logan so hard it turned white

Jackie Pallo's sit-on backbreaker - evil-looking stuff.

Skull's gator. That used to scare me in that it looked unbreakable if anyone put that on you properly.

The surf board used by Dynamite Kid and a few others is rarely seen nowadays.

Julian Morice was the only wrestler I saw use the spinning back breaker.

Straight arm lift very rarely used these days

Oddly enough, I saw the Gwyn Davies one used recently in WWE. The Andy Robin - style "Power Lock" seems to have gone out of vogue a long time ago. Also, at least in US terms, the piledriver in its numerous forms was more or less "outlawed" after the Owen Hart/Steve Austin botchup in 1997 - it was reported that the only wrestlers allowed to use it in WWF subsequently were Undertaker, Kane and Jerry Lawler.