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Almost certainly not Bernard. This was a Cyril Knowles show and he wouldn't have paid good Yorkshire money for a Red Indian when he had the kit. As I've mentioned elsewhere there was an overseas wrestler, Pedro Columbo (I don't know his origin) who did wrestle here as White Cloud but there were others using that name on the independents who were no more western than Blackpool.

Thanks Hack. I have seen that somewhere before.

But was that the genuine Red Indian or a British boy?

Bernard asked

bjh99Jul 02 Please can anyone tell me about White Cloud. Genuine native American? or British born in disguise? Thanks.

I think you've asked the same question in another topic too, Bernard, where the name of a genuine American was given (and was correct) but I said there were copycats on the independent bills.

I've just come across this article by wrestler Al Marshall in the Newsletter dated 6th August, 2017. Promoter Cyril Knowles was a lovely man, straight forward and decent, but he was very sharp and never missed a trick. One night I was working for Cyril at Hyde in Cheshire. When I got to the hall there was already a long snake of a queue waiting for the doors to open; I'd never seen anything like it.

When I went inside Cyril had a big smile on his face, already mentally counting the takings. "We'll have 'em standing said Cyril. It's that White Cloud. That's who they've come to see." Cyril continued getting ready for the show, very happy, until about quarter past seven and there was still no sign of White Cloud. "Not to worry," said Cyril, "he'll be here any minute." Half past seven and the smile had gone off Cyril's face. I was

changed and ready to go on.

"No lad," said Cyril, "I've changed my mind and I'm putting a couple of the other lads on first."

Eight o'clock and the first match was underway. Still no sign of White Cloud. "I think I'll put you on after the interval tonight lad,"said Cyril. I was beginning to suspect Cyril was up to something. "We'll add a few minutes to the interval tonight," said Cyril, "give White Cloud a chance to make it," and with that he disappeared. A few minutes later Cyril was back in the dressing room carrying a big suitcase. He opened it up and it was full of all sorts of costumes and masks. Cyril pulled out the full red indian gear and told me to put it on, "You can be White Cloud tonight."

I protested, "Cyril, I can't be White Cloud. I've got ginger hair. I'm a lightweight. I look nothing like him." Undeterred Cyril thought he'd found the answer to his problems. "Not to worry. We'll tell the fans you're from a newly discovered tribe with ginger hair. You're on with Reg Ray." "We'll be awreet," growled Gorilla Reg. Thanks Reg I thought. I was reluctantly pulling on the costume when the door burst open and in charged an out of breath, apologetic White Cloud.

"Stop messing about Al," shouted Cyril, "Get that clobber off. Quick you're on next White Cloud." White Cloud and Gorilla Reg had a good match, followed by another good one between Dirty Billy Bates and myself.

The crowd went home happy, Cyril counted his money, and he went home chuffed.

chuffed.

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Thanks Hack. I wonder if Les Prest knows anything about him.

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Please can anyone tell me about White Cloud. Genuine native American? or British born in disguise? Thanks.

On this show I would think it most likely White Cloud was Hungarian Julian Gurgris who lived on Teeside. Chances of him being a native American on here must be just about nil.

Please can anyone tell me about White Cloud.

Genuine native American? or British born in disguise? Thanks.