Thanks Ron, appreciate. So would you say that these four wrestlers were 12st weight limit, which I believe is the middleweight according the old system of weight divisions. And then we have a mwt KO. Another important detail is that Wryton advertised several matches for the world mwt championship at their locations in 1953 involving Chic Purvey, if I remember it right. Almost sure I saw him on the bill either as a contender or as a challenger cannot remember exactly what it was.
I don't know what weight they were and they varied over a career , I suspect some were heavier. Take Billy Howes or Colin Joynson or Roy StClair. They all went through many weight classes. They were never weighed in any case.
New Brighton is a mystery. William Bankier ran it , he started many of the seaside resorts including the Isle of Man. When Bankier died in the later part of 1949 , it did not seem to disrupt the wrestling and the newspaper advertising remained unchanged. As Bankier had also done LIverpool Stadium in the 1930's , I wonder if at some point he had taken a back seat and the Best family run things. Pure speculation though. He was for sure doing both venues as late as 1940 and working with the Best Family. By then he was 70 years of age. It does look as though he may not have been active by 1949.
In 1953 and for many years both Stadiums advertised in the same Liverpool paper , but I think as always, you paid for the style of the advert. In both cases there was an identical minimalist policy. They did not push the boat out. Both put the advert in the night before the show and of course , no clash , Liverpool Fridays and New Brighton Saturdays. The Pyes were not so evident at New Brighton.
I agree with Ron about the main Wryton halls in 1953, but we can certainly add Willenhall where they started in 1946. Even in 1947 Wryton claimed to be the biggest promoters in the country, but I could never fathom that out. New Brighton has a Wryton look, but on the programme I've got they are not mentioned by name so I think probably not.
As for the weights question, weights in Britain were very fluid. Taylor was light heavyweight champion but would fight heavier men. Flynn was billed as a welterweight. I think Jack Keegan was more of a middleweight and don't know about Tommy Pye, but don't think him a big man.
not Bolton but so close Farnsworth Moor hall early 50s later to become blighty's hosted manning bassey walker bros gene Pitney Tommy cooper not in tag obviously
They were not big men so wrestled flexibly from maybe middleweight up. I think Eric Taylor could take on the heavies . Danny might have been the smallest.
Very specifically 1953 with certainty I think Chester Drill Hall , Levenshulme Ice Rink , both Fridays. And Victoria Hall Hanley , Saturdays.
Not sure of the exact arrangement at New Brighton , plenty of Bartelli and Conroy presence but don't seem to be spotting Bert Royal for example. Unsure if 1953 saw Wryton in Southport as they lost a venue there in 1950 and I have nothing for 1953. Unsure of Queens Hall Widnes as I have nothing quite that early. The Wryton Wrestlers featured weekly at Liverpool Stadium for Best so maybe a joint venture.
1953 still had many Promoters that never went into Joint , such as Jerry Jeery at Birmingham. Colne could look Wryton but was being run by Billy Riley and I doubt you could call it Wryton by any stretch. The real boom seems to start in the late 1950's with Wryton getting to many towns including most of North Wales but in 1953 I don't think it had popularity.
Not sure when Wryton went into Willenhall . 1953 possibly too early.
Ron, thank you so much. Your expertise and help is very much appreciated. I did go over your Belle Vue and New Brighton collections for the year 1953 and it does look like the shows there were not related or run by Wryton. I see some really big names there, nationwide big and important. But those were not Wryton wrestlers if you will.
Another question I have is: in 1953 this group of wrestlers, namely Jack Keegan, Danny Flynn, Tommy Pye, and Eric Taylor, were limited to a certain weight class or division, or not?
Thanks Ron, appreciate. So would you say that these four wrestlers were 12st weight limit, which I believe is the middleweight according the old system of weight divisions. And then we have a mwt KO. Another important detail is that Wryton advertised several matches for the world mwt championship at their locations in 1953 involving Chic Purvey, if I remember it right. Almost sure I saw him on the bill either as a contender or as a challenger cannot remember exactly what it was.
Dick and Jessie Rogers ran New Brighton but I don't believe that was until a few years later.
I agree with Ron about the main Wryton halls in 1953, but we can certainly add Willenhall where they started in 1946. Even in 1947 Wryton claimed to be the biggest promoters in the country, but I could never fathom that out. New Brighton has a Wryton look, but on the programme I've got they are not mentioned by name so I think probably not.
As for the weights question, weights in Britain were very fluid. Taylor was light heavyweight champion but would fight heavier men. Flynn was billed as a welterweight. I think Jack Keegan was more of a middleweight and don't know about Tommy Pye, but don't think him a big man.
From Circa 1944 to 1956 Wrestling at KINGS HALL-BELLE VUE-MANCHESTER
Was Run and Promoted by DICK (The DORMOUSE) and JESSIE ROGERS!!+
One of My Old Stomping Grounds-PARR HALL -WARRINGTON- Was Also Run
and Promoted by WRYTON!!
MAIN MASK
They were not big men so wrestled flexibly from maybe middleweight up. I think Eric Taylor could take on the heavies . Danny might have been the smallest.
Very specifically 1953 with certainty I think Chester Drill Hall , Levenshulme Ice Rink , both Fridays. And Victoria Hall Hanley , Saturdays.
Not sure of the exact arrangement at New Brighton , plenty of Bartelli and Conroy presence but don't seem to be spotting Bert Royal for example. Unsure if 1953 saw Wryton in Southport as they lost a venue there in 1950 and I have nothing for 1953. Unsure of Queens Hall Widnes as I have nothing quite that early. The Wryton Wrestlers featured weekly at Liverpool Stadium for Best so maybe a joint venture.
1953 still had many Promoters that never went into Joint , such as Jerry Jeery at Birmingham. Colne could look Wryton but was being run by Billy Riley and I doubt you could call it Wryton by any stretch. The real boom seems to start in the late 1950's with Wryton getting to many towns including most of North Wales but in 1953 I don't think it had popularity.
Not sure when Wryton went into Willenhall . 1953 possibly too early.
And for sure Not belle Vue which was Dick Rogers.
Non in Bolton until 1958.
Hope that helps and maybe Hack or others can add.