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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Oct 31, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
I stopped and thought about this one. Is Lewes a Nook and Crannie.
Well for one it is not on the coast and Dale Martins had a huge number of Sussex Seaside towns in their charge.
And also thus far , I have not found Dales operating in Lewes.
When I covered Bexhill on Sea I presented some Winshaw Promotions bills and for sure many of the wrestlers were unknowns.
It was pretty much established that they were a Lewes based promotion and the only other town they seemed to be at was Seaford.
Lewes though , is the epicentre because the Winter family were living there and had a wrestling gym there. It was their venture. Johnny Winter and his younger brother Ricky are credited with being the Promoters , born 1940 and 1943 in Lewes and there were a few sisters too. But Dad John Eric Winter also a Lewes born man 1918 was the secretary , so who knows how many people were involved here. But that local gym no doubt brought through some more wrestlers , some who never made the jump to Joint Promotions.
A lot of these guys had jobs and wrestled as a side line , so fair to assume there was no pressure to wrestle every night.
I can't show all the bills so it's just a taste here. Click for larger image.
It's doubtful that with a ring as well, 350 people could cram into Lewes Town Hall , but for a period of maybe 1964 , Certainly 1965 to 1972 the venture worked. I know from the papers , in the end at the end of 1972 the gate was falling below 200 and that brought the finish.
But today Jason Winter is promoting wrestling at the very same place with a Winshaw Trophy. You will find him on the web.
So Lewes is a very special Nook and Crannie with this unique alternative wrestling with colourful characters in swathes.
The April 1965 bill might have been the first one to really target the public , they had done a show in a school prior to this. Its quite a collection of names to look at in depth. Maybe not to be taken too seriously. I mean "The Mysterons" , can you believe it. The Masked Bear. A Ghoul , and they liked tag wrestling as well.
I have gone through the bills 1965 to 1970 and listed the wrestlers. We get many people coming to Heritage with "My relative was a wrestler" , some times we have not heard of them.
This list might just help. Many of these not in the A-Z.
Part two will present these wrestlers , showing quite a big promotional effort with a few well known names thrown in.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Oct 14, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Just outside of Rotherham the Lumley Arms in 1967 had a fairly unique venture , Sunday Dinner Time Wrestling.
It's a story of a local man Joe Knowles coming home to Maltby.
His previous place is shown well advertised here.
Born in Maltby in 1921 Joseph H Knowles had married Iris Warren in 1950. In February 1967 they brought the same ideas and more to the Lumley Arms.
But before the month was out there was going to be a wrestling connection.
In February 67 a local mini Skirt Contest had Dai Sullivan as a judge.
The burning question is , Did Joe find his own wrestlers. Did he just know one guy who could bring a few to do a show and then maybe put Joe onto another contact who in turn bring in something different.
Or did Joe find a small promoter who handled the summer of 1967 for him.
I have established that this was indoor wrestling and if you google The Lumley Arms , Maltby , and "Images" you will see two pictures of wrestling going on there.
This couple were innovators of Pub entertainment
Here are the first three bills and look at the decent quality.
CLICK FOR A LARGER IMAGE
And in order here is the next three in April.
Five shillings , not a bad price for what must have been a fairly close up view for all.
And again , and also we are looking at more than one stable of wrestlers here. Look at the changes over time.
North East lads and Barnsley , Johnny Saint from Manchester and as ever St John and Slavic
Jimmy Devlin is on four times. What could the capacity of this place be.
At the end of the season we have a statement to the press about how well things were going.
Taking have doubled in under a year.
Many of the adverts had a full weeks schedule of events.
People had their wedding receptions there and even coach parties of 50 or more visitors.
So Joe and Iris make a possible valid claim that Sunday Dinner Wrestling in a pub was possibly a first for them and the wrestling industry.
It's a window in time that does not seem to come back next year , or even continue past June. No sign that the council banned it.
It was of course a few years past the very peak of Golden Age Wrestling , round about 1963 and the publicity that the McManus/Pallo TV Feud created in the country.
But at this time TV Wrestling was very popular.
The challenge has gone out to the remaining wrestlers from the past. Does anyone remember this venue.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Oct 05, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Maps out and if you look at the triangle of Rotherham , Doncaster and Barnsley you would wonder why any wrestling ever got into the villages in that area and yet I have found a handful of villages where Wrestling was evident.
Back to 1961 and the Crabtree Promotions.
Sitting Bull , the man who was to be in Madras the following year below. A rare sighting of Brian Crabtree as a wrestler.
So the baths was covered over in the winter and assuming the ring was in the middle, chairs would be brought in at ground level. Photo's show balconies along the two long sides of the pool. Only shallow corridors in effect , but I could imagine 400-500 people getting in there. Maybe someone can tell me if it was more.
Can we assume that the shows had some success. Why else would Relwyskows have a small trial a few years later
Don't think they were too struck on it as 1965 the Indies were back.
Local boy Sam Betts wrestling under his own name and not as Dwight J.
A Miners Tag team with Pete Curry.
2 twenty stone wrestlers The Beast and El Scorpion with a mask thrown in.
StJohn and Svajik got everywhere with their own show practiced to perfection.
Wrestling penetrated everywhere in out Golden age , but make no mistake Wombwell had seen wrestling a lot earlier.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Sep 05, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
I could say just about in Lancashire , but the tourism guide pushed the fact that Barnoldswick is near Skipton.
Looks a beautiful town and home to the fictitious Bradshaw family of radio and theatre fame. Young Billy with Mum Audrey and Gravel voiced Dad Alf.
The Majestic an old building , a cinema among other things in it's lifetime , 700 seats , and I believe preserved in some form today , although it might be as shop fronts. Also a Roller Rink and Billiard Hall too in it's day.
Have not found joint there and even wonder if Member Phil Kenyon came across wrestling there.
Town also called Barlick and the locals "Barlickers"
Here is what I found.
Can anyone give us a bit more.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Jul 29, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Even before the war had ended there were shows on in 1945 at the corn exchange. Relwyskow gave it a go.
1961 Max Crabtree , so evident in Scotland at that time tried a show out. (Click for larger image)
But it was to be Cape Promotions who penetrated this market in a solid way by 1963. I have a good collection of bills and this was regular , I can only show you some.
These are top men from the opposition , probably the very best that could be mustered. Fred Wooley and Danny Flynn ran a great business and in a responsible way with not too much in the way of fraudulent advertising. Johnny Saint in 1964 had progressed from a ring erector for this outfit , only shows on the low side of the card.
For a good few years this name the Hangsman niggles at me. Did anyone see him and do we know who he was.
As you can see , a good tenure of years which has to indicate a successful business here in Berwick.
I really need help on the capacity of the Corn Exchange , today a listed building converted in to high end flats.
The seating capacity is evading me.
Situated in Sandgate pretty near the mouth of the Tweed Estuary. With a Barracks , Castle and Lighthouse , and a beautiful Viaduct , I regret it's a place I have never been to.
No price rises in the 1963-1967 period , those were the days.
Things must have been so good because Joint promotions had to have a go.
And Oh look the prices have gone up considerably. New tarrifs of 12/6 and 10/ have been introduced
12/6 in 1968 to see Mick McManus and standard by 1970.
By 1970 even the indy's could not hold the 5/ price any longer , but this bill with fake Dr Death and Outlaw does perhaps show that there was still room in town for them.
This bill on only 2 weeks after the Joint one featuring the evil Jimmy Saville .
If you ever saw him wrestle you would know he was pretty hopeless and yet he is headlining that bill.
I think I would have chosen the Klondykes v Campbells although a young Tony St Clair v Mal Kirk would have been decent.
Can anyone add anything to what we know here.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Jul 11, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
If you asked me to name some of the Sussex towns that I have bill collections for , I would say , Bognor , Worthing , Brighton , Eastbourne and Hastings , all coastal towns , and in no way in the same district as Hastings or Eastbourne , I now find Bexhill on Sea. Quite often with the Nooks and Crannies , Joint can be missing , maybe too small a town or venue , but actually this venue could seat maybe up to 1500.
An early Doctor Death 1960 and those Barnsley Boys headlining in 1961
Fast forwards a few years and 1965 are all familiar. Golden years when wrestling wriggled it's way in almost everywhere. Being a Northern Boy I never took a holiday down there , closest I came was Newhaven. Can anyone tell us more about Bexhill.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Jun 29, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
After many years collecting bills I finally have some from Inverness. 375 miles from Manchester and sad to say , I have never been. The Empire Theatre was a 1912 Picture House , eventually used as a Theatre. It had a balcony and I think the whole thing sloped down to a stage. 1100 capacity gave it some sort of equal standing in size with the Wryton Stadium. But could it be equal in the quality of wrestlers that it could tempt to travel up there.
At the dawn of the 1960's Max Crabtree gave it a go , so influential in Scotland. My old friend Sitting Bull who I found in Madras was there. Shirley before he was famous , or was he famous as an alternative champion back then.
Early Andy Robin was up there. Good effort from Wall , Dennison and Breaks to go up there.
Champion Billy Joyce , Pallo famous as Mr TV. Kidd and Colbeck. Top Scotsman Ian Campbell. Kellet for sure.
Zebra Kidd.
The Hawaiian Prince , Mick McManus made the cut and super pro's The St Clairs and Royals. Albert Wall no doubt would have travelled with John Cox . Ricki Starr too.
An open air show at an alternative venue from the Opposition featuring Girls that went on to have great careers along with Broco Jack who got just about everywhere.
Conclusion must be that Joint promotions could do a show with about 1000 spectators putting in top liners with a strong mid card and still make money , and bring wrestling to Inverness. Great Effort. Nowhere was ignored.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Jun 11, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Another beautiful town not on the motorway network , visited many times , scenic run from Buxton.
Never come across wrestling there before , but finally I have some in the Golden Age.
The Ritz Cinema opened in 1922 to seat 940 people and clear from the bills that Billy Shinfield , an ex boxer and Manager from Alfreton was running in conjunction with Joint Promotions. Would have thought Wryton as they were at Buxton.
Billy Shinfield died age 82 in 1989.
A mile away and often said to be a separate place , Matlock Bath. The grand Pavilion was only for about 300 people , but was the biggest Hall in the area. The Indy's were experts at making a profit out of such small capacity. Some familiar names , but I am not going to guess at the actual promoter(s)
Some unknown names on the first bill as far as I am concerned.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
May 24, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Having just established that in 1944 Wryton took over The Parr Hall Warrington from Jack Cullen , I decided to have a look at how many venues they had round about this time.
Back in 1942 Jack Cullen promoted Wrestling at the Ideal Skating Rink in Hanley. He was in Hanley first and Wryton began to promote at the VIctoria Hall also in 1942.
On the face of it nothing unusual until I found in the press that they had a clause in Jack Pyes contract that he must not do any shows within 5 miles of Hanley. This came about , I think because he did a show for Cullen.
By the middle of 1943 , from what I can see , Jack Cullen and the Rink had finished.
Thus far I lean towards Hanley and Warrington as Wrytons first venues.
I am going to have a crack at their first ten.
Victoria Hall Hanley 1942
Parr hall Warrington 1944
Runcorn Baths 1945
New Brighton Tower 1946
Hartlepool Borough Hall 1946
Chester Drill Hall 1946
Bloxwich Baths 1946
Willenhall Baths 1946
Gosta Green Brum Stadium 1946
Witton Albion Ground 1946 (Northwich summer venture)
Evident that the growth came as soon as the war ended.
I am unsure but don't think Wryton did anywhere in Manchester this early. Levenshulme Rink a little later for sure.
Crewe also later I think (another Cullen venue), and Rugby Co-Op Hall 1949 again best guess.
May have done Southport Grosvenor Sports centre from 1947 but no branding on the bills. They were the custodian when it closed in 1950.
Hyde Town hall as early as 1942 is another possibility.
I am speculating here and not laying down a firm history and with a joint effort , it may be that we can tighten this up.
I know we have a member Bkendo1 researching Wryton , maybe Paul knows more or maybe he is looking more at WHO were Wryton.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
May 24, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
A well known Hall but not the first venue in Warrington.
That title probably goes to the Baths Hall which for sure was doing wrestling in 1939.
However , there to be beaten , I believe I have a set of the first bills for the Parr Hall and during the war at that.
Promoter Jack Cullen and he did some pretty good shows. Many future promoters actually wrestled on his shows.
I can only show you some sample.
Some very local names above , yet again as discovered my Main Mask recently , Tom Rigby fighting as Wild Tarzan. Billy Riley and Jack Atherton on there , trainer of Dynamite Kid Ted Beckley. To put the record straight Ted Betley was born Warrington 24th Jan 1922 and was a Butcher's Errand Boy at the start of the war. Betley being the correct spelling.
Golden ace and Golden Boy , Norman Morrell on Cullens shows , wonder how many went to both shows on July 7th 1942 in the middle of the war. Big names like Bill Benny and Bert Assirati.
And talking of Bert.
Bert unmasks The Green Asp , OK , it went in the local press , but Van Wuden would have done his Green Asp again and again. I think we have 2 or 3 unmaskings of him now. As for wrestling under his own name , well next year 1943 he's back in with bert again.
END OF PART 1
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
May 17, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Nice and simple to look at four bills from the mid 1960's. The Pavilion , I believe was a 1915 cinema with 800 seats , eventually became a Bingo Hall. Often the way in the 1960's that Cinema's were coming out that were wider with bigger screens and the old and tired were retired. Some small promoters grabbed these for a few months to do a few shows. Money coming in , rather than being left empty. Very common round Manchester.
The promoter , well I need help on that one.
Very early Pat Roach , the usual StJohn Svajick combo , who is six ten Ski Hi Walters. Pre Joint Johnny Saint , Copycat masked men , early ladies , Orig , Corbett , O'Shea , who was promoting.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
May 14, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
One upon a time Todmorden was in both Lancashire and Yorkshire. Normally Lancashire to Yorkshire you think of going over the top and dropping into Huddersfield. But not so Todmorden. I am very familiar with the road from Rochdale through Littleborough , through Todmorden and out the other side to Hebden Bridge. Not over the top but right through the middle of huge hills. The only other road into Todmorden is from Burnley. The crossroads where these roads meet is where the Town Hall is, It's a tale of the Town Hall as well , which had a capacity of only 250 people for events. Before I push on though , I will show you that earlier than the Town Hal there has been an effort to show wrestling in the market place.
Nothing much there to say it was the big time . but one or two familiar names , and certainly links to catch wrestlers.
Ten years later some sort of connection to Joe Reid and Jim Bevan , But for me under the creativity of Sean O'Shea , who I believe was Paul Jefferson.
So that's the Market Place to the Town Hall
Click for bigger image.
Fast forwards to 1962 and 1964 , Joe Reid and Jim Bevan are still at it. Joe and Jim put on legendary long bouts together , often eight rounds of entertaining stuff. Not quite clear who is promoting , there are plenty on these bills that have done a bit of promoting. This is going to be a tale of various Promoters having a go.
There is enough here for now to study and names to untangle. All for now , but soon some more to come.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Apr 28, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
The main wrestling town in Fife looks to be Kirkcaldy with quite a long history , but during 1964 it may be that The Adam Smith Hall could not be rented for some of the year. I had previously posted about Cupar doing wrestling in 1967 and 1968 , but in the case of Cupar it was the Independants.
I am back in 1964 now for some form of Joint Promotions. I am not going to jump to any conclusions which promoter was running these shows. Today I read that Lochgelly has the cheapest houses in Britain , a much run down place . The Cinema De Luxe was very old , built in the days of silent movies. Deep and narrow building that could seat 720 people. Ironically , I believe that is more than the Adam Smith Hall at Kirkcaldy.
The quality of bills is quite good , plenty of Lancashire and Yorkshire wrestlers getting up there and even Pallo and Garfield. As autumn drew in wrestling was on again in Kirkcaldy , but the season ran on in Lochgelly.
For joint promotions that was to be it from what I could see.
Someone else , however had perhaps had their beady eye on it. Cape Promotions later tried Cupar , before that they did these shows in Lochgelly. If nothing else , I love a masked man and like Hack , a bit of a fan of Angus Campbell.
Ghouls , Monsters , Beasts and Doctor Blood.....Love it.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Apr 20, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Years ago I found abundant wrestling in Isle of Man , Isle of Wight , and all over Ireland North and South.
Not conquered the Channel Islands yet , but came across one I had not thought about. Very late in the day and looks like Brian Dixon thought it was worth a punt.
Venue only built in 1985 and was Shetlands biggest venue. Would hold several hundred people easily for spectating events.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Apr 09, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Some crazy bills here from 60 years ago. Bedlington Station ironically closed in 1964 and had a nearby ballroom that sometimes doubled as a Roller Rink.
Who some of the wrestlers were , maybe Hack knows from his North east Contacts.
Arnie Bulloch has cropped up before and of course Dicky Swales.
Just enjoy the nostalgia.
Looks reasonably priced after a quick look round 1964.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Mar 21, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
More than anyone else I am doing this one for SaxonWolf , he's been on here longer than I have and if I am not mistaken , a Sheffield Guy.
We touch so often on BelleVue , Liverpool , Newcastle , many places familiar to members , even Fleetwood and Morecambe or Isle of Wight. Members everywhere it seems. I don't remember Sheffield getting a hit.
Here we go.
Not even early days at the Somme Barracks. I don't know when they started but have bills back into 1949.
A great long Hall , do I assume a Drill hall that could seat 2500. If you look at the bills above , the final one bottom right is for The City Hall. I believe it was the 2nd ever bill , can't yet find the first one a week or two before.
Why the move , well , it does not look like the prices , but pictures of the City Hall inside look vey comfortable , great view.
Talking of Relwyskow and Green , the wrestling was not every week , but they also looked after nearby Rotherham. Here advertised together.
The City Hall at this stage was to showcase some events , still running side by side with the Somme Barracks. But it maybe that the City Hall was better for TV filming.
Within a couple of years though the Barracks came to and end , prices were up but no complaints on the quality of the bills.
Took a few years for Kendo Nagasaki to hit Sheffield , but when he did, What a breakthrough
Finally a couple of bills showing typical cards in 1970 with a massive 25shillings now to view. Wonderful performers that we saw so much in colour on TV.
Along the way back in 1964 the council banned tag wrestling.
I don't know what happened but it seems, to have two wrestlers outside the ring holding the strings so to speak , was deemed to put them too near the audience.
Too much of a risk that Audience and wrestler might get embroiled with one another.
I think the ban lasted a few months and was round the time of the City Hall Switch.
The City Hall maybe more secure. Who knows.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Mar 14, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Had to stop for a minute when I came across Cupar. It could almost be in India with a name like that.
So we are in Fife in the 1960's at a time where almost every town in the country had wrestling on.
The Corn Exchange , bought by the council in 1961 and then used for events.
My understanding , only a capacity of 300 ?
The 1968 bill...Cape Promotions.
also nearby at St Andrews Town Hall. As Main Mask would say Super Rare.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Feb 12, 2024
In Memories of the Old Days
Maybe this thread is a little bit special for William R who lives up this way , and Phil Kenyon who wrestled here in 1964 along with many stable mates. Our "Ack" as well a Lancashire Lad from Leyland and myself.
With regards to myself , being from the South side of Manchester it was not that bad exploring the coast of North Wales and also the coast up as far as Blackpool. As a boy , no motorway meant a long journey in terms of time , so Southport and Blackpool were always easier. But as a young man we took the kids to Pontins at Middleton Tower and I got to know Heysham Village , the Lune Estuary , in particular Sunderland Point and of course Morecambe.
Pontins was also a great base to get over to Grange-over-Sands and Cartmel as well.
I even helped put up a ring in Pontins and take it down again as the wrestlers were off to Prestatyn to do a second show. In Morecambe I had a fleeting meeting with Steve Logan , working on the sea front on a fair.
It's not had that much mention and this week I find so much of Gerry Hoggarth working here.
But lets have a look at what I have found. (Click for a larger view.)
A repeat of the bill again with Phil Kenyon
But above the chance to see again which guys Phil knew so well.
Immediately a new spelling of Andros Zchich
I still have doubts that we have his real name.
Roy Okrododo , is that another name for someone we know.
Joe Reid and his son The Great marcus , opponents in tag.
Don Plummer , the Red Devils , Ian St John.
the Monster , Bertie Topham and Dom Pye.
Yes Morecambe , just tucked away that bit further up north , providing maybe a slight difference in regular Roster to many other towns.
This is just an opener. the Main Venue was The Winter Gardens , but we will cover the Central Pier as well.
Just a couple more below. Still the Floral hall but in 1965 and what looks to be stolen identities wrestling at the Broadway Hotel. Green Asp , that's an old one.
Who can tell us more on 40 stones Klondyke Bill Yukon.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Dec 15, 2023
In Memories of the Old Days
Came across a really good report in 1907 about Old Timers when they were older.
Of special Interest to Ruslan I imagine , but very good for anyone interested in this kind of stuff.
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RON HISTORYO....Time Cop,
Dec 06, 2023
In Memories of the Old Days
Had to pu this one on to show Mick's Dressing Gown in the early 1950's. Nothing like the short Jacket we saw on TV.
Don't ask me to name them , but by all means have a go.
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