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ruslan-pashayev
May 02, 2025
In Memories of the Old Days
Serious subject. Serious question. To everyone who considers themselves pro wrestling history researchers - what is the main subject, main focus of your studies, and why?
A little of pre history. I found this website around 2017, and quickly emailed Ron asking my questions about the British pro wrestling and what is the best way to approach this subject in a way that will help me to better understand the historical processes and evolution of this game. I always prefer calling wrestling a game. For me it is. Ron suggested not to spend all my time on collecting the pro wrestling results from different eras, because that is what I was pretty much doing, my collection of wrestling results related to English wrestling history is arguably the biggest in the world (no kidding) it goes back all the way to 1600s, the times of last Stuart kings of England. Back then I argued with Ron, because to me personally the results was the only thing that did matter, the only thing that will actually stay in history forever and not only that, this is the way it's here in America, the wrestling researchers just collect the results, that is what we do. Precisely. Because that is how we believe we are preserving the wrestling history I suppose.
Long story short, back then I wasn't capable to understand what Ron was teaching and preaching to me. It took years of personal evolution as a researcher and years spent here on this forum of old school British wrestling fans, learning a lot from you guys, that nowadays I can claim that yes I do agree with Ron, fully and completely, and yes follow his fashion of studies. Yes, I still do research certain things very specific, but the way I approach events has changed.
When I see a wrestling programme a bill with names on it...I no longer am concerned about the results that much, someone won someone lost those bouts from the past. I see something that does look like a sports advertisement a programme in front of me, but as a matter of fact is nothing but a THEATRE AFICHE (I have to address it in French, for a stronger accent, and to add an additional meaning to it) and should be treated as such. It is like those old theatre posters which show us the names of great actors and actresses of the past, and we only can judge the performance, accepting their era's norms and standards for the quality acting. So my main focus switched from the "results" to such things as what was their pro wrestling like, what they did in the ring to entertain crowds of spectators, what the fans considered fun about this whole thing called pro wrestling and why they were willing to come and watch it, what was behind the theatrical curtains of pro wrestling stage. The evolution of performance became my new subject, the language wrestling artists spoke to their fans and everything about it. This teaches me more about wrestling history than anything has ever did in the past. This new approach truly enriched my researcher's world and I am very thankful to Ron, Hack, Anglo and all of you my dear friends. Thank You All!
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ruslan-pashayev
Apr 29, 2025
In Memories of the Old Days
I decided to start this subject with this...strange image, I was lucky to find online several years ago. At the end I will share with you, my friends, why I called this image strange, lol.
These our recent discussions re baked beans brands of professional wrestling and various other subjects of similar entertaining nature (at least for me personally) made me want to share this with you, my dear friends.
In the 1800s there was a London based newspaper called BELL'S LIFE IN LONDON, it was a major British sporting paper published between 1820s and 1880s. They covered all kinds of sports and that of professional wrestling as well.
Back then there were quite a few very local, regional brands of pro wrestling in England. I said that word the "brands" again. I think I am making a legitimate case out of this nonsense, lol. Did I just call pro wrestling history nonsense. I have to be more accurate with what I say...Morell's descendants are probably still around and they can sure can attempt to take me to the court for this "nonsense".
Anyways. We are back to my favorite 40s, no not the 1940s, the very Victorian, the 1840s. Once upon a time Someone, we don't know who that person were since they haven't introduced themselves properly mailed the Bell's Life editor a question, simple, general, very basic question: WHO CURRENTLY IS A PROFESSIONAL CHAMPION WRESTLER OF ENGLAND.
The answer was a pure knockout. Such thing as Championship of England in professional (read prize) wrestling DOES NOT REALLY EXIST. And then there was provided a brief explanation why according to the editor we should not addressing this kind of question in such uninformed manner.
In the 1840s there were at least three brands of pro wrestling in England:
CORNISH AND DEVON, as a matter of fact the oldest of all and the most common of all, because it was a jacket style, traditional English kind of wrestling. It outgrew the area of its origins and was the most common style all around the country and not only that the bosses (sorry patrons) of that sport were running annual championship matches and tourneys in London the capital of the country a place where the real moneys were! And yes, this style (traditional English jackets style) existed for centuries and had many regional variations too.
CUMBERLAND AND WESTMORLAND, relatively a new style, popular only since late 1780s early 1790s, originally it was unknown outside the area of its birth. It was still unknown to many London wrestling fans even in the early 1800s.
LANCASHIRE, a newborn style which emerged in the late 1820s in South Lancashire. It was also called the Manchester rossle. The Ashton-under-Lyne beersellers gave birth to this very unorthodox style of wrestling. And no one in England knew what it actually was outside the City of Manchester and a handful of neighbor mill towns.
The editor made it clear each of these brands has its own champion wrestler of England and they will never wrestle each other first of all because they are unfamiliar with each others wrestling fashions, secondly it will be a poor show to match unmatchables, lol and of course simply because that kind of titles unification would mean for them nothing but losing their main income. Those who run these sports (brands of wrestling) are NOT interested in having such thing as UNIFIED WRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIP OF ENGLAND, he stressed.
Now I have a question, do we learn anything from HISTORY, it supposed to be there to educate us....saying educate I do specifically mean to be smarter when we approach this and similar subject.
And back to the provided image. The pic clearly shows English jacket style of wrestling, I stress English because the men are wearing tight perfectly fit fustian (or flannel we don't know for a fact) jackets. Cornish wrestling jackets didn't look anything like this. And the provided names of the two competitors, the wrestlers called GRAHAM and BEEBY tell us that they were Cumberland-Westmorland practitioners and obviously never competed in jackets. Another nonsense, oops I said it again! So much nonsense lately. The printing office had only this old visualization for wrestling...and probably didn't even know that there are some other brands of wrestling in England except the one he was familiar with...the Old English Jackets Wrestling.
Thank you for reading this. And enjoy your WRESTLING.
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ruslan-pashayev
Jan 09, 2023
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, need help with date and place of death of Sam Moores (b. 1862) of Pendleton. Thanks in advance. R
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ruslan-pashayev
Dec 27, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
The final resting place of LEGEND. George Swithinbank BIRTH: 1824 Delph, Metropolitan Borough of Oldham, Greater Manchester, England DEATH: 13 Apr 1884 (aged 59–60) Delph, Metropolitan Borough of Oldham, Greater Manchester, England BURIAL: St Thomas Churchyard Friarmere Delph, Metropolitan Borough of Oldham, Greater Manchester, England
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ruslan-pashayev
Dec 08, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Never made a secret Vic is my fav pro wrestler. Why? Matthew 11:15 King James Version (KJV) He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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ruslan-pashayev
Nov 13, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, I have a question to everyone. In 1953 which pro wrestling sites were considered the prominent Wryton wrestling venues? Thanks. R
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ruslan-pashayev
Oct 02, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, enjoy these 3 wrestling videos. Thanks, R and a FAIR BACK FALL (in this case a fair back roll). Just like in Old Lancashire "rolling falls" do count. As well as pinning and flying falls.
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ruslan-pashayev
Aug 10, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, I have a question to everyone. Please name the pro wrestler who to the best of your knowledge was: the biggest box office in UK the biggest box office in North West of England Time-period is 1930-1990. Thanks.
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ruslan-pashayev
May 29, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, any memories related to the organized pro wrestling in Blackburn will be highly appreciated. Thanks, R
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ruslan-pashayev
Mar 24, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, need help. I came across the bills on BNA which advertised B. Assirati (Ramsgate, Jan 1936) and G. Gregory (Nelson, Lancs starting Jan 1936) British heavyweight all-in wrestling champions in 1936. How is that possible, and which promotion backed those title claims? And off-topic, I see Max Krauser of Poland being billed WORLD HWT ALL-IN WRESTLING CHAMPION, Feb 1937 at Ramsgate. Same question, who backed those title claims, which promotion? Thanks, R
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ruslan-pashayev
Mar 17, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
I am back with a BELT from Ron! The 1953 Coronation Tourney at Glasgow. Looks like it was an open weight competition. Dear Friends, any info will be highly appreciated.
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ruslan-pashayev
Feb 13, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
These are the unique photos which were made in the city of Kurgan, Russian Empire in the mid 1890s. They show traditional Russian folkstyle wrestling competition which was an essential part of the feast of Pentecost celebrations. The proper Russian name of this style was wrestling "na opoyaskax", which is basically a collar and waistband fixed hold style of wrestling with tripping being allowed. Most commonly utilized techniques were: outside stroke, back-heel (both from outside and inside the legs of opponent), buttock and cross-buttock. First down loses the fall. To win the wrestler has to throw his opponent 3 times. Modern times, the revival of the sport of old in the city of Kurgan.
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ruslan-pashayev
Feb 03, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, finally the VIDEO. And again special thanks to my ANGLO-ITALIAN friend! Enjoy!!! A wrestler from this video very famous in USSR , his name was Eavan Cooksenko of Kharkiv, Ukraine (1911-1958), the Soviet pro wrestling fans knew him under the name of Ian The Gypsy.
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ruslan-pashayev
Jan 30, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, enjoy this very interesting newspaper article from 1956.
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ruslan-pashayev
Jan 25, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends,
I am glad to share with all of you that my summary-article on history of Lancashire catch-as-catch-can wrestling was featured in the quarterly journal of the INSTITUTE OF MARTIAL ARTS & SCIENCES (IMAS) of Greater Manchester, England, UK. I feel very honored about it, this is a unique opportunity for me to share my research with the wide circles of British martial arts experts and scholars. AND I WANT TO THANK HERITAGE FOR ALL THE SUPPORT AND HELP. It all has started with Ron Historyo telling me - why wouldn't you write it all down...? That's how THE STORY OF CATCH happened in my life. THANK YOU HERITAGE!!!
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ruslan-pashayev
Jan 19, 2022
In Memories of the Old Days
A good friend of mine, who actually qualifies as being Anglo-Italian shared with me a reference to this amazing wrestling video in which famous British wrestling star Adrian Street plays the medieval pro wrestler. The video is from 1972 Pasolini movie called The Canterbury Tales which is based on G. Chaucer's work of the same name. Enjoy the video.
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ruslan-pashayev
Dec 22, 2021
In Memories of the Old Days
Poddubny and Bolsheviks. From the 1920s Poddubny bio, printed in Germany. This material was kindly presented to me by my dear friend Mr. Cay Fabian of Germany. “Im Jahre 1920 fiel Paddubny den jetzigen russischen Verhältnissen zum Opfer. Er besaß in Baltawa in der Ukraine eine große Dampfmühle. Bei einer Getreide-Requisition vom bolschewistischen Heere geriet er mit dem Führer derselben in Streit und Wortwechsel, diese erklärten ihn kurz als Antirevolutionär und stachen Paddubny mit dem Bajonett nieder.” “In 1920 Paddubny fell victim to the current Russian conditions. He owned a large steam mill in Poltava, Ukraine. During a grain requisition by the Bolshevik army, he got into an argument and exchange of words with the leader of the same, who briefly declared him an anti-revolutionary and stabbed Paddubny with the bayonet. " another interesting piece of info which comes from that book is about a traditional Ukrainian (Ruthenian as they were called in Austro-Hungarian Empire) wrestling styles, the Back-Hold and Collar-Hold. In either of these folk wrestling styles no tripping was allowed, and a physically strongest man was usually the winner. They also mention a popular Ukrainian hero called Kirilo Koschemjaka.
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ruslan-pashayev
Dec 18, 2021
In Memories of the Old Days
Dear Friends, after we had a very lively discussion about "titles" and "lineages" I decided to share a couple of some important finds related to this matter. Let's for a second "accept" an "idea" that Hack was world's catch as catch can champion because he beat a champ (common sense and perfectly fits Ric Flair's theory), and I mean Jenkins. Below are the "credible evidences" of what kind of title Jenkins held before his 1905 match against Hack and where from he actually got that title. But as I said before, let's accept it for a second, now I will add for just a second. Because we see how freely back then they journalists paparazzies of the sports used the word 'title', and whenever they needed they called it 'world championship' and when they wanted they called it "American championship" and for them as well as for everyone else it was absolutely OK. San Francisco Call, 5 January 1905 Wrestlers Are in Training. In limiting falls to an hour's duration in the Jack Carkeek-Tom Jenkins match for the world's catch-as-catch-can championship at Woodward's Pavilion next Tuesday night, Manager Levy has struck a popular chord. The wrestlers maintain that there is little doubt that the time limit will be pressed, but the knowledge that sixty minutes will be practically wasted If no fall ensues will serve to make action livelier. Carkeek is master of the catch-as-catch-can game and has never been beaten at it since he gained the championship belt. He has never met Jenkins; who admits this to be his best style, so the combat should be doubly Interesting. San Francisco Call, 9 January 1905 JENKINS IS AFTER TITLE HELD BY JACK CARKEEK Wrestling Giants Are Primed for a Hard Struggle on Mat Tomorrow Night. The catch-as-catch-can championship of the wrestling world is likely to change hands to-morrow night at Woodward's Pavilion when Tom Jenkins goes after Jack Carkeek's title. A visit to San Rafael yesterday revealed the fact that the Cleveland giant is close to physical perfection and confident of putting a new handle on his name in the shape of a championship he has never claimed. Jenkins wrestled with three imported opponents and the way he tossed the big fellows about was a good indication of just how good he is. Carkeek is slower to move than Jenkins until he is on the mat. Then his energy begins to exert itself and the slow-going man in citizen's clothes is a seething furnace of action. Without being excitable or nervous, he is ever ready to turn an opponent's mistake to his advantage and loses no time in doing it. San Francisco Call, 10 January 1905 BIG WRESTLERS MEET TO-NIGHT Jenkins and Carkeek Will Compete on the Mat for Championship of Country. Jack Carkeek will make his San Francisco bow to-night on the big mat at Woodward's Pavilion to swap trials of his great strength with Tom Jenkins. For more than fifteen years Carkeek has held the palm at catch-as-catch-can wrestling, defying the best men in the world to put his shoulders to the floor in this particular style of the game. Jenkins has won and lost with men that Carkeek has never met in the last few years and he is considered America's greatest wrestler because Carkeek has spent most of the last few years in foreign lands. In bringing them together Manager Morris Levy has made one of the most interesting matches possible and the entertainment promises great results. The catch-as-catch-can style permits of more action than any other. Practically any hold is permitted, the legs as well as the arms being brought into frequent play. To eliminate any resemblance of brutality the strangle hold has been barred; everything else goes, and the spectators will see some clever tricks between these two masters. Falls are limited to an hour each, best two in three, but both men say there will be no need of the stipulation. They are both out to win early. To popularize the sport with ladies it has been determined to admit them free when accompanied by escorts, and the balcony will be reserved for the gentler sex. Shortly after 8 o'clock the preliminary match will be called between two local favorites, George Braun and Al Brill, representing rival clubs. This bout will be under the same conditions as the big affair. George Miehling will act as referee. NOTE: American Championship is mentioned, which apparently Carkeek held for 15+ years, and never was defeated, which means that neither Evan "The Strangler" Lewis, nor famous "Farmer" Burns or Dan McLeod ever held that championship in the time span between 1890 and 1905, but rather were just claimants. San Francisco Call, 11 January 1905 BIG WRESTLER BEATS CARKEEK The Veteran Cannot Resist Strength of Tom Jenkins, Who Has Youth in Favor. By sheer strength Tom Jenkins, the champion all-round wrestler, forced Jack Carkeek, the veteran of catch-as-catch-can, to the mat twice last night at Woodward's Pavilion. It was Father Time who helped get the victory for the big fellow. The elder man showed that he had all the tricks of the game by heart, but he could not work his holds on Jenkins. The veteran went down fighting on each fall. Every muscle on the frame that was not as supple as It used to be strained to the utmost in futile resistance as the Cleveland giant forced his shoulders to the mat. The first fall was won in 17 minutes and 30 seconds. Carkeek was thrown, but cleverly stalled all attempts of Jenkins to get a good hold. Just when it looked like curtains for the veteran he suddenly slipped away and put the big fellow on the defensive, but not for long. Jenkins secured a half Nelson and bar wrist hold on the veteran. One of Carkeek's shoulders touched the mat. Jenkins threw into the hold all his enormous strength. Slowly the other shoulder of the veteran was forced down. Carkeek struggled gamely, but youth told. The other shoulder touched the mat. Referee Eugene Van Court tapped the big fellow in the back. First fall for Jenkins. The second fall resulted after some lively work. Carkeek caught the big fellow napping and had him guessing for a few minutes. The veteran secured good holds twice. If he had the ginger of other days, Jenkins would still be wondering how it happened. But Jenkins escaped the slaughter and got a three-quarter Nelson. Suddenly he shifted to a half Nelson and an arm hold. Jenkins threw forward all his weight and Carkeek was out. Time, 4 minutes and 45 seconds.
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